On 5/15/2022 at 6:25 PM, Irlandesa said:

I feel like I might have read this book so the I knew Trevor would be guilty but I didn't remember the twist about the lawyer at all. One thing I didn't get is why she had Jerry killed.  Did he get cold feet or something? 

Judge was accepting bribes to fix jury pools with her access. Jerry paid her one such bribe.

It wasn't 100 percent clear if Jerry got cold feet, if the judge just prematurely worried that he might or what. But the inference is that she didn't want to be exposed as corrupt and so had him killed.

On 5/15/2022 at 9:09 PM, memememe76 said:

I wish the Prosecution was seen as less incompetent.

I don't think the prosecution, at least in the Trevor case, was incompetent. Although I think in the real world, the cops might have looked at his phone records and/or figured out that Trevor used a drone to dispose of the evidence. Or at a minimum, the concept of "this timeline doesn't make sense" would be an obvious hole in the prosecution case that Mickey would not need a last-minute epiphany to come up with and the prosecution would have to come up with an explanation for.

I do wish we had a "this is how it happened" style re-enactment. It's not 100 percent clear if Trevor in fact planned the murder out of jealousy over the affair, planned the murder out of fear that Lara was going to be revealed as the true genius, spontaneously killed the two on encountering them, or what.

Because if he planned it out at all, it seems kind of silly.

On 5/16/2022 at 8:15 PM, LuvMyShows said:

Some questions:

We saw that Maggie called that Sarah Walker person, and she came in after Soto was released to arrest him.  Was she filing federal charges for corruption, whereas he had been previously on trial locally for murder?

What did Cicso see on that list of charges or whatever he was looking at, that caused him to go visit the Saints, especially since I thought he already knew Mickey was working for them pro bono?  When Cisco went back to the Saints, and we saw at the end that the leader guy said there was a way Cisco could pay off his debt, one of the last scenes we saw was Cisco riding his motorcycle.  Did we ever find out what the debt repayment was?

Yeah, so, looking back now that it's over, I'm not putting it together.  Why did the judge care in the first place about having Trevor found innocent, such that she would have done the jury tampering thing, and also why did she have Jerry killed?  What was shown on that phone log that implicated the judge?  Why did she want Mickey killed?

Yes, Trevor is dead and they lingered on the tattoo on the guy's left arm, definitely implying he's the guy that did the prostitute killing that Jesus had been wrongly imprisoned for.  But I have a few questions about that.  First, why did the cops care so much about having Jesus take the fall that they would go to those lengths, especially when it's not like they were even trying to protect the real killer, since they didn't know who the real killer was?  Second, the real killer would be crazy to harm Mickey, now that Jesus re-trial is over, because it would probably renew interest as there would be close scrutiny of people who might have had it in for Mickey, whereas now it doesn't seem like anyone is actually pursuing who the real killer was.

Yes, Sarah is apparently a federal prosecutor and Maggie called her in to prosecute him federally on the whole she-bang of charges, whereas he previously was being tried in state court on murder and human trafficking charges. It raises the question why the feds weren't involved in the get-go since the underlying case was slave labor being imported from the Philippines, but oh well. 

Cisco was looking at what seemed to be Mickey's accounts, a list of clients and either how much they had charged/received. He saw the real name of the Saints member "Hard Case Casey" and the amount of $0.00 and the initials "pb" for pro bono, or free. As he told the Saints leader, he was under the impression that any work Mickey was doing was paying work, and he knew that Mickey would never just donate his time to help a Saints member. We don't yet know what the Saints leader asked Cisco to do, or if the shot of him riding his bike is him doing it, thinking about doing it, or fleeing from doing it. At a guess, he's doing it.

The judge didn't care about Trevor being acquitted. The judge cared about protecting her reputation and power as the presiding judge. Jerry was involved in setting up the fake engineer juror and could expose her and her husband, so he had to go. Mickey figured out about the existence of a bribe and wasn't willing to play ball, and he wasn't willing to just take the W. So he could have shone uncomfortable light on the judge. So he had to go.

Langkford presumably honestly believed Jesus was the right guy and hated Mickey and was worried that Mickey would get a guilty person off. He presumably thought that Glory Days was a desperate, sleazy ploy from Mickey rather than someone who was telling the truth. I mean, without knowing the details of the killing Jesus was accused of, doesn't it sound far-fetched that she was attacked by someone who spontaneously confessed to a specific other killing and threatened to kill her, but then she somehow managed to escape, and she never reported the attack on her or this confession to the cops? Just to the defense attorney before someone was about to stand trial for the murder? Also it wasn't much in the way of lengths -- send a cop to threaten her with a criminal charge. (Although the notion that the cop would have gone so far out of the way here -- taking a service elevator to avoid being picked up by security cameras and making an in-person threat when it would have been way easier to call the Bonaventure and make a threat over the phone, or to get Glory Days to meet her at a location outside the hotel seems a stretch).

As to the real killer, presumably he is at least a little crazy because he's an apparent serial killer with at least two deaths on his hands. But he may just be in a monitoring mode.
Tattoo Guy may just think he can stay ahead of the cops.

Mickey would potentially have other suspects who might want to harm or kill him that would come to mind before Tattoo Guy. Just within the span of the two weeks of the show, he had at least an attempt on his life by the judge's minion. Other possible suspects might include the Israeli security guy (pissed off about Mickey painting him as the bad guy, has access to money, weapons and intel), corrupt cops (the number of friends Langkford might have on the force is probably pretty sizeable), former clients of his/Jerry's, the judge (even if she can't get the corruption evidence back in the can, she can make Mickey pay for exposing her in the first place), Soto and anyone interested in hurting Maggie through her family. So "Tattoo Guy" who has never been shown to exist and who could for all the police and prosecutors know could just be a fiction meant to introduce reasonable doubt is probably not going to be high on the suspect list. 

There are lots of ways to kill someone without being obvious. This Netflix series is my first exposure to Mickey. But I wouldn't be surprised if Mickey's accident was not truly an accident and was an attempt by Tattoo Guy or someone else to kill him. (See Lethal Weapon II, for an example of what seemed to be an accident actually being a hit attempt.) So if Tattoo Guy is the brand of serial killer who is careful and organized, he could probably kill Mickey and make it look like a random street crime, an accident, an overdose, etc etc.